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Originally posted by givemfitz+Sep 11 2005, 08:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (givemfitz @ Sep 11 2005, 08:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Ravyyn
Example 13% of Americans blame the White House for New Orleans right now. The reality, there are laws, processes and procedures that government is bound by, one of them state and local government did not relinquish control in time to FEMA. FEMA can not step in until they are allowed, and even then can only do so much based on these laws we all voted and passed.
Obviously you are another mindless democratic, insult me, expect one back. I accused no one, obviously you did not read where I said I am sorry I started this argument, so let it go.Originally posted by ravyn+Sep 12 2005, 10:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ravyn @ Sep 12 2005, 10:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by givemfitz@Sep 11 2005, 08:40 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Ravyyn
Example 13% of Americans blame the White House for New Orleans right now. The reality, there are laws, processes and procedures that government is bound by, one of them state and local government did not relinquish control in time to FEMA. FEMA can not step in until they are allowed, and even then can only do so much based on these laws we all voted and passed.
Well these laws you say we all voted on and passed were in fact forced upon us.
At the federal level we only vote for representatives to pass laws in the interests of their constituents. Almost universally these constituents turn out to be special interest groups who've donated heavily to their campaigns and not the voting public.
We do however vote on propositions and ballot measures at the state and local levels which are all too often circumvented by the representatives for which we vote on that level. Don't believe me? Click
In the case of Katrina, FEMA took almost a week to arive on the scene in any meaningful way. I know that they had the state and local ok to act well in advance of that. The fact is that when they did get the ok they weren't ready.
Also FEMA is now under the umbrella of Homeland Security and is not funded as it once was. Homeland Security is the the brainchild of the Dubya Administration. An Administration that was handed it's first term by the electoral college and the Supreme Court. Not by a majority vote of the people. There's that voting flaw rearing it's ugly head again. <_<
IMHO I think that it is quite possible that you are just as blinded by the Federal Government within which you work as you accuse others of being by the press.
Our Federal Government and it's agencies bear the brunt of the blame for the SNAFU that was Katrina Relief and rightly so. The fact is that it was bungled at every Government level and the mishandling got worse the further up the ladder you look.
The major flaw in most peoples thinking in matters such as this is that they believe we live in a Democracy when in fact we live in a Republic. I'm not putting down this fact. Just stating it. Look up the difference for yourselves.
:blink: [/b][/quote]Originally posted by andy+Sep 12 2005, 06:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (andy @ Sep 12 2005, 06:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by goldengloves88@Sep 12 2005, 10:33 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Enyone@Sep 12 2005, 11:33 AM
I cried
me too.. i like to feel children.. :naughty:
Obviously you are another mindless democratic, insult me, expect one back. I accused no one, obviously you did not read where I said I am sorry I started this argument, so let it go.Originally posted by andy+Sep 12 2005, 06:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (andy @ Sep 12 2005, 06:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by ravyn+Sep 12 2005, 10:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ravyn @ Sep 12 2005, 10:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-givemfitz@Sep 11 2005, 08:40 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Ravyyn
Example 13% of Americans blame the White House for New Orleans right now. The reality, there are laws, processes and procedures that government is bound by, one of them state and local government did not relinquish control in time to FEMA. FEMA can not step in until they are allowed, and even then can only do so much based on these laws we all voted and passed.
Well these laws you say we all voted on and passed were in fact forced upon us.
At the federal level we only vote for representatives to pass laws in the interests of their constituents. Almost universally these constituents turn out to be special interest groups who've donated heavily to their campaigns and not the voting public.
We do however vote on propositions and ballot measures at the state and local levels which are all too often circumvented by the representatives for which we vote on that level. Don't believe me? Click
In the case of Katrina, FEMA took almost a week to arive on the scene in any meaningful way. I know that they had the state and local ok to act well in advance of that. The fact is that when they did get the ok they weren't ready.
Also FEMA is now under the umbrella of Homeland Security and is not funded as it once was. Homeland Security is the the brainchild of the Dubya Administration. An Administration that was handed it's first term by the electoral college and the Supreme Court. Not by a majority vote of the people. There's that voting flaw rearing it's ugly head again. <_<
IMHO I think that it is quite possible that you are just as blinded by the Federal Government within which you work as you accuse others of being by the press.
Our Federal Government and it's agencies bear the brunt of the blame for the SNAFU that was Katrina Relief and rightly so. The fact is that it was bungled at every Government level and the mishandling got worse the further up the ladder you look.
The major flaw in most peoples thinking in matters such as this is that they believe we live in a Democracy when in fact we live in a Republic. I'm not putting down this fact. Just stating it. Look up the difference for yourselves.
Will you shut up about it!?Originally posted by ravyn+Sep 12 2005, 10:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ravyn @ Sep 12 2005, 10:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by andy+Sep 12 2005, 06:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (andy @ Sep 12 2005, 06:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by ravyn@Sep 12 2005, 10:42 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-givemfitz@Sep 11 2005, 08:40 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Ravyyn
Example 13% of Americans blame the White House for New Orleans right now. The reality, there are laws, processes and procedures that government is bound by, one of them state and local government did not relinquish control in time to FEMA. FEMA can not step in until they are allowed, and even then can only do so much based on these laws we all voted and passed.
Well these laws you say we all voted on and passed were in fact forced upon us.
At the federal level we only vote for representatives to pass laws in the interests of their constituents. Almost universally these constituents turn out to be special interest groups who've donated heavily to their campaigns and not the voting public.
We do however vote on propositions and ballot measures at the state and local levels which are all too often circumvented by the representatives for which we vote on that level. Don't believe me? Click
In the case of Katrina, FEMA took almost a week to arive on the scene in any meaningful way. I know that they had the state and local ok to act well in advance of that. The fact is that when they did get the ok they weren't ready.
Also FEMA is now under the umbrella of Homeland Security and is not funded as it once was. Homeland Security is the the brainchild of the Dubya Administration. An Administration that was handed it's first term by the electoral college and the Supreme Court. Not by a majority vote of the people. There's that voting flaw rearing it's ugly head again. <_<
IMHO I think that it is quite possible that you are just as blinded by the Federal Government within which you work as you accuse others of being by the press.
Our Federal Government and it's agencies bear the brunt of the blame for the SNAFU that was Katrina Relief and rightly so. The fact is that it was bungled at every Government level and the mishandling got worse the further up the ladder you look.
The major flaw in most peoples thinking in matters such as this is that they believe we live in a Democracy when in fact we live in a Republic. I'm not putting down this fact. Just stating it. Look up the difference for yourselves.
Obviously you are another mindless democratic, insult me, expect one back. I accused no one, obviously you did not read where I said I am sorry I started this argument, so let it go.
When you receive a Paycheck from FEMA, then we can talk, until then you are blind. Get over yourself
No. Salad seasoningOriginally posted by ravyn@Sep 12 2005, 10:48 PM
With JERK spice?
OR you could eat cum in a corner with a dunce cap on your head.Originally posted by ravyn@Sep 12 2005, 10:51 PM
how about a circle jerk with Wil then? We can use the salad dressing too....
No, you just suck anusOriginally posted by ravyn@Sep 12 2005, 10:56 PM
A little anger there young man?
Woo for child molestation! :woo:Originally posted by ravyn@Sep 12 2005, 11:00 PM
nope only yours
OR you could eat cum in a corner with a dunce cap on your head.Originally posted by andy+Sep 12 2005, 10:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (andy @ Sep 12 2005, 10:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ravyn@Sep 12 2005, 10:51 PM
how about a circle jerk with Wil then? We can use the salad dressing too....
I think I'll keep my cock away from you, thank you.Originally posted by ravyn@Sep 12 2005, 11:02 PM
Yep like that young fresh stuff of yours, not tainted. YET>>>>
Did you think that making a little dislaimer after such a lengthy post would make you immune to a rebutal? :lol:Originally posted by ravyn@Sep 12 2005, 07:42 PM
Obviously you are another mindless democratic, insult me, expect one back. I accused no one, obviously you did not read where I said I am sorry I started this argument, so let it go.
When you receive a Paycheck from FEMA, then we can talk, until then you are blind. Get over yourself