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I was told that the coffee was being kept way too hot and that the health department had given them several warnings about it because you simply can't serve practically boiling liquids to a customer in a drive through window.Originally posted by dascoot@Apr 1 2006, 12:17 AM
I wanna move to Washingtonnnnn!
To be fair, that McDonald's lady's lawsuit got a lot of flack. She wasn't suing because the coffee was hot, she was suing because the workers had a stack of deformed coffee lids that didn't fit on the cups properly and they used them anyway, despite the risk. Something like that. And she didn't even WANNA sue but, like, she didn't have insurance and the burns she suffered required medical attention and she was suing for medical expenses. That's what I heard anyway.
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yeah but suing for medical expenses is one thing, suing for the sake of making yourself stupid rich is another. and the health department can go blow themselves. those stupid gits probably told them the day before that it was too cold so then they turned up the heat and were told it was too hot. i hate having to deal with them. it's all fine and dandy to enforce rules for the health of the consumer, but some of the shit they put us through during our last inspection was just far beyond reasonable.
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I know. They can be bastards. And yet there are still some filthy places out there serving food that shouldn't be and some how the health inspector never goes to those places or they would be shut down.
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Thanks for posting that Melissa. 
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You cannot possibly be expected to know that the restaurant would keep their coffee that hot. 20 degrees is a very significant difference. And I'm positive there was a misshapen lid involved too, I read it in Uncle John's Bathroom Reader and Uncle John doesn't lie.
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You cannot possibly be expected to know that the restaurant would keep their coffee that hot. 20 degrees is a very significant difference. And I'm positive there was a misshapen lid involved too, I read it in Uncle John's Bathroom Reader and Uncle John doesn't lie. [/b][/quote]
Yeah, well... pffffft.
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Whether the coffee was hot or not, or who's responsible, or how the responsibility should be split, etc is irrelevant. A jury of 12 citizens listened to both sides, represented by counsel, and arrived at their decision, after deliberation. 12 able citizens spent hours/days/weeks, to settle this. Unless we go and read the court transcripts, our opinions are going to be meaningless and uninformed, fueled by personal beliefs and agendas. We'd be like crabs critizising an opera. The bigger picture is, you guys live in a society where such a system exists.
What I mean by that is the adversarial system. This country enjoys prosperity unknown by the rest of the world. That is largely due to the free market. Such a system, where the economy, media' etc are largely unregulated is a very daring idea FOR MOST PEOPLE OF THE WORLD. They always wonder, if it's all so free, what keeps people from mis-using it? Who governs them? Like everything, there need to be checks and balances. We need cops to make sure nobody is speeding. And if a cop beats the crap out of you for speeding, you might need Johnny Cochran, with all his rodent like qualities.
In the US, those checks and balances are provided by an aggressive and greedy legal system. Anybody can sue anybody. As bad as greed seems, it serves a purpose.
Couple of years ago my boss told me the story about how his father-in-law died. He had a stroke, and they took him to the hospital. He was also a diabetic. In the hospital he seemed to get worse and worse, and he died within a couple of hours. Well, it turned out they gave him a drip of GLUCOSE! To a diabetic! When the doctors finally realized that, their first concern was the lawsuit. Now, my boss is a church going christian, and the whole point of the story was that HE DIDN'T SUE. And my question was "Why the HELL not?" (bad choice of words, talking the deacon of the local church!..
) He looked at me like I'm like the anti-christ or something, and told me about how he was not gonna make money off a family members death... Then I told him, well I'm not saying take the money and go to vegas.... If some thing like that happened to one of my loved ones, I'll sue them, take ALL THEIR money, and start a trust or a foundation to try and prevent a similar tragedy from happening again. If the victims don't take action, WHO WILL?
So the old lady was stupid.... But McDonalds has the resources to avoid that problem from happening again.. They made a BUSINESS-DECISION to keep the coffee hot. Kepping millions of customers happy is importsand than a few burn incidents, money wise. Well, the money you pay to a victim is just part of that equation....Just think, IF some lawyer doesn't emerge from the sewers periodically and sue McDonalds, they'd get rid of the lid altogether!!!
What I mean by that is the adversarial system. This country enjoys prosperity unknown by the rest of the world. That is largely due to the free market. Such a system, where the economy, media' etc are largely unregulated is a very daring idea FOR MOST PEOPLE OF THE WORLD. They always wonder, if it's all so free, what keeps people from mis-using it? Who governs them? Like everything, there need to be checks and balances. We need cops to make sure nobody is speeding. And if a cop beats the crap out of you for speeding, you might need Johnny Cochran, with all his rodent like qualities.
In the US, those checks and balances are provided by an aggressive and greedy legal system. Anybody can sue anybody. As bad as greed seems, it serves a purpose.
Couple of years ago my boss told me the story about how his father-in-law died. He had a stroke, and they took him to the hospital. He was also a diabetic. In the hospital he seemed to get worse and worse, and he died within a couple of hours. Well, it turned out they gave him a drip of GLUCOSE! To a diabetic! When the doctors finally realized that, their first concern was the lawsuit. Now, my boss is a church going christian, and the whole point of the story was that HE DIDN'T SUE. And my question was "Why the HELL not?" (bad choice of words, talking the deacon of the local church!..
) He looked at me like I'm like the anti-christ or something, and told me about how he was not gonna make money off a family members death... Then I told him, well I'm not saying take the money and go to vegas.... If some thing like that happened to one of my loved ones, I'll sue them, take ALL THEIR money, and start a trust or a foundation to try and prevent a similar tragedy from happening again. If the victims don't take action, WHO WILL?So the old lady was stupid.... But McDonalds has the resources to avoid that problem from happening again.. They made a BUSINESS-DECISION to keep the coffee hot. Kepping millions of customers happy is importsand than a few burn incidents, money wise. Well, the money you pay to a victim is just part of that equation....Just think, IF some lawyer doesn't emerge from the sewers periodically and sue McDonalds, they'd get rid of the lid altogether!!!
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I do see what you are saying Ravi but there is a fine line between right and wrong here. I mean, the lady in the Stella awards that triped over her own toddler that was running amuck and broke her ankle or foot or whatever and sued the store, I mean 'cmon! That's just wrong. She should not get rich because of that. It seems a lot of people are just waiting for their piece of the pie instead of working hard for what they earn like it should be. Now, honestly I could more justify someone sueing a doctor for giving a glucose drip to a diabetic but if I was him I wouldn't have sued either. Did you know that because of so many lawsuits (whether justified or not) that the insurance rates have skyrocketed for obgyn's and now as a result of that there are not near as many as there are now? In fact, my sister in law is pregnant and she couldn't find an obgyn within 45 min of where she lives that will deliver her baby. She literally has to travel almost and hour to another town just to go to a doctor that will deliver her baby. That's crazy and dangerous. If there were an emergency, she is not even close to her doctor.
